He wanted his own wild child to have another run around the paddock. If all this has been brewing since the time of their wedding and even before then, you have to wonder whether the move to Colorado was a way to get away from it all. Watts Family Tapes The Event ONLY on YouTube and Facebook October 23rd 9-11pm EST Add the event to your calendar here:. The sister Jamie said she couldnt get off work to attend the bridal party events prior to the wedding. Frankie William Rzucek So Cindy Watts didn't attend her son's wedding. Watts confessed to brutally murdering his pregnant wife Shanann, 34, and children Bella, 4, and Celeste, 3. Chris Watts 2012 Speech on Communication Speech, Relationship Deterioration and Repair; Chris Watts grew up somewhere on this road on the outskirts of Spring Lake, North Carolina. No, thats not quite right either. What if he married Shanann because, in some strange way, she reminded him of his mom? Why put the nuts out knowing it could set Shannan off? By no means am I justifying his actions. If he were to get away with murder, he can still pretend to be Mr Perfect. and our I call him Pennywise, make of that mom de guerre what you will. Bothe women were pregnant and both were financially strapped. Whatever amount of attention Shanann wasted on this family was to much. Recently, new documents showed that Nowak visited Watts over 30 times . Would you put your child, no seatbelt, in a car with a drunk driver? Haha, that was my own mother. Save his life and life in prison to me, theres no difference. I see a lot of people saying there are two camps in response to this and there really arent. Look no further than his parents, especially his gum chewing, cold mother, to learn what made him a heartless, narcissistic, arrogant psychopath. The women had all drawn lines in the sand and that takes a toll on everyone, I think.. Proof is in the planning, deliberate smothering of his 2 little girls TWICE, and murder of tgeir mother and baby Nico.all planned weeks in advance. Theres nothing to really uncover of why he would have killed his wife! We know because the babysitter told the police all this during her interview with them. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. Only the ones that truly lived it. Considering dates are set in advance, there was probably more to it then Jamie not getting off work. A pregnant woman in her 15th week, just getting home at 1:48am from a business trip, who was already in the separation process, isnt going to snap and kill her two children. Those invested in the case have wondered why she has yet to speak out. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. Jamie Middleton Kerry Milligan Jodi Noble Julie Pierce Kimberlee Reimann Padilla* Ann Siner* Sue Singer Dr. Craig Thatcher* Cindy Treacy Cindy Watts Daryl Weil Dr. Kathy Wigal Patty Withycombe Susan Yannitelli *Arizona Humane Society Board of Directors. The one where Cici had turned around and I got a really good close up picture of her and I used that, 64-year-old Cindy said. The Petersons were fairly wealthy when Scott Peterson was born, and he was spoiled and treated like a Golden Child. No need to be angry at me for trying to understand the family dynamics. Her version is a very twisted version. True Crime Analysis, Breakthroughs, Insights & Discussions Hosted by Bestselling Author Nick van der Leek. That likely would have changed everything. Be the first to know about the biggest stories as they break. Theyre right of course, the murder of three members of ones nearest and dearest is an act of madness, but thats not the whole story. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. Total narcissism. Her Thrivinga bomb waiting to go off. He gets along well with JAMIE and her husband. I want him to plead not guilty to the children, she said. Trinket doesnt say much, does she? Jamie Watts Williams job connection to nutgate Am I the only one that finds it strange that Jamie is a respiratory therapist? As to whether people attend weddings when one of their children is thrown out of the wedding, I dont know thats a personal choice, but it would be a hard one. Ronnie and Chris seemed to get this yet it ate away at something inside them so much they both resorted to extreme measures to ultimately cope: Ronnie cocaine and Chris murder. That said, Im not sure I understand the camp [besides the family] who are championing the cause of Chris Watts. Chris Watts was clearly seen by his folks to be a perfect member of society, loved and liked by all [just like Scott Peterson]. Chilling. Chris Watts, 35, has revealed details of his pregnant wife's murder in a bomb During her sons trial, Cindy added, I have always loved you and I still do. If only Chris got a divorce. Nick has a pic on this site with him in a baseball uniform. I cant imagine anyone willfully doing something that could cause the death of a child that they love. Dear God so many people have been affected by this horrific disaster. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. and our I had a mother in law like Cindy Watts. She didnt take away my son, I dont own him. So sad. I wouldnt. Locked post. Its not professional, Jamie Watts Williams job connection to nutgate. All anyone needs to know is that his youngest daughter died, begging for her life, and he brutally killed her anyway. But she told Bella that CeCe would die if she ate coconut!! Its always about control with these women. We are not here to ask for leniency and are not in any way condoning or tolerating the crime that has occurred or the pain that has been caused their attorney read. Asking her mom about shanann not loving Chris etc. Two camps. Shanann also posted a picture of Ronnie Watts on Fathers Day and paid tribute to her husband for being a great dad. It is mandatory to procure user consent prior to running these cookies on your website. Its been nearly three years since Chris Watts pleaded guilty to murdering his pregnant wife,Shanann Watts, and their two daughters Bella, 4, and Celeste, 3, but his family still isnt convinced hes a killer. Cheers Cindi is truly an evil psychotic person. He just saw JAMIE and her family during his recent visit to North Carolina. Nuts are no longer an issue anyway. His full birth name is Christopher Lee Watts. Copyright 2015 - 2021 Original Media Group Corporation. THANK YOU. In front of Shanann was Chris dad holding hands with Bella and Chris mom walked beside his dad. Cindy Watts interview with WCNC.com feels genuine, especially this part of the transcript. I think the doctor told her it was a slight nut allergy not carry an epipen/anaphylactic shock type nut allergy. My question to Cindy Watts is who the hell would and could get along with you? You sound like one of those men who spend a lot of time online whining on about women. Cindy Watts mouth turns upside down when she speaks of Shannan in videos. just wanted to know about anyone elses theories :). This website uses cookies to improve your experience while you navigate through the website. I think Chris became Chris by way of his mother. As far as I have read, this video is from when he was in the Colorado prison. The women had all drawn lines in the sand and that takes a toll on everyone, I think. I wish I could ask you more, Cindy murmured. Video obtained by DailyMail.com shows the moment Chris Watts returned home from burying his wife and disposing of his daughters' bodies in an oil tank only to learn that Shanann's best friend had . Does anyone know if shes ever made any kind of public statement or opinion? You were, you were, she was just, she was you, Cindy cried. These cookies do not store any personal information. Likewise, Chris has a sister named Jamie Lyn Williams. as shown by the way he disposed of his childrens bodies, you can plainly see that he never actually felt anything close to human emotion towards them. They appeared to be walking through an open mall cafes, shops the sun was setting. And you will., It is [hard], killer Chris Watts replied. To me, all they wanted to do was save his life, just save his life. I knew there had to be a wife vs mother prize fight going on after reading Shananns reaction to the nut incident with Chriss mother. The footage shows the 33-year-old buying a . They cant have been too bad then!!! Passive aggressive and it smacks of Cindys influence. We are different, but I love her dearly and if my son loves her Im also in her corner then. Everyone that has tried to help her in the past has ended up breaking free of her because they know how narcissistic she is. We love you and forgive you, son., As for Ronnie, he said that he forgave his son for his actions too. Its all in Chriss interview after the conviction and sentencing. Bullshit. Would you put your child, no seatbelt, in a car with a drunk driver. Just Like you. Happy Thanksgiving 2017: Shanann Watts makes mini cannolis. It was hard on his father when he CHRIS left because his father was used to him CHRIS always being around. Then to as far as I am aware, there was a baby shower, that Cindy and Jamie had for Shanann, I,ve seen pictures of it. Expect a lot of aggression and animosity from the Shanann camp. What if Chris hatred of Shanann was misplaced? Youve heard of divorce, right? Thats all I mean. The prison exclusive also showcases Watts sister, Jamie Lyn Williams, who managed to remain the most secretive and silent figure in terms of the two families sucked into this case thus far. She was you. There was a stolen set of manuscript notes which are not a book, but interview notes. Trust me., We support you 100%. I think its the most reasonable one on here. I think you might be spot on. Shanann tried to involve these in laws from hell. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=U_-nUnbIgTU. I just wished you would have talked to us more.. Following their sons admission, Ronnie and Cindy Watts protected Chris innocence, claiming his lawyer talked him into confessing to a crime with mounting evidence against him whether he committed those acts or not. We just love you. Are additional videos available of Chris with other visitors to prison? We know what she was like. She didnt stir the shit enough was her problem. How could they be this stupid. The wedding? They were fighting, money problems ,being sued by the homeowners association. There cant be a reason or any underlying dynamic leading to murder, nor can there be any premeditation. His father Clifford Entwistle has just written a book saying hes innocent, they watched the movie Shutter Island the first night they had sex. Right now doing everything they can, it-it just scares the living crap out of me knowing its come to this. Inside edition= Fake News. A while back, I saw a video of Chris, Shanann, Bella and CeeCee with Chris parents. He is where he belongs and will die there. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. Also apparently Frankie receiving death threats and some really nasty messages.. These cookies will be stored in your browser only with your consent. Chris Watts speaks to his sister Jamie from Prison - WATTS FAMILY TAPES Watts The Truth 1.21K subscribers Subscribe 580 Share Save 69K views 2 years ago CHRIS WATTS SPEAKING TO HIS. Shannan would have gone down with a fight if she were awake. Have a tip? "Where the hell. His father would not use physical discipline, but would raise his voice. I like your take on this. His former mistress on Inside Edition said they watched the movie Shutter Island the first night they had sex. Were all just people. I dont care what you did I love you so much and thats all there is to it!. I am not doing a book on this, interviews are not books. Oh Remember when we were at the splash party in Colorado? His mother worked as a secretary and notary for a used car dealership. The Rzucek family are weird as well. I feel so terrible for the family of Shannon and the children. only a fraction of the reality? Powered by BlueHost . I think it looks foolish for her to write the book with her mother denying illness and allergies while being in the health care industry. Even though Ive written three books, I feel weve barely scratched the surface, and I think theres a great big pile of skeletons still stuck in the closet. Nathan Trinastich said he was acting strange on surveillance footage in Oxygens documentary Criminal Confessions. That woman was lying when she said she loves her son. I think the reason why she and Chris mom didnt get along was due to that they were very similar. Ive written a trilogy of books about the Peterson case, and a trilogy on the Watts case, so the similarities are all too clear. Ten years later the Anthonys are still fighting to keep their home, Scott Petersons disliked or felt superior to Lacis, https://www.websleuths.com/forums/search/2228646/, Christopher Watts: What else do we know? Shannan seems like the type of person who would be really difficult to live with and difficult to satisfy. I think ,Chris killed his daughters because one of them saw their dead mother rolled up in their sheets. Talking about his family, Chris's parents are his mother Cindy Watts, and his father Ronnie Watts. Shanann kept trying to involve his family of ungrates she should have told them to all fuck off when they didnt go tot he wedding and tried to sabatoge that as well, Watts sister and mother went to the bridal party before the wedding. There are no sides in this tragedy. He decided not to create waves. "Happy . After Chris admitted to the murders, Ronnie and Cindy each gave statements to the court. Would you let a child rapist babysit your kid? I know she didnt attend the court sentencing etc. Ditto, Nan. They really dont wake up one morning deciding to abuse their kids, steal or kill. That isnt even what happened. She was, she was you and I know its so hard for you. I asked Chris, If you did not do this, do not confess to something you didnt do,' Cindy told ABC7 at the time. Shananns family are so nice and normal compared to Chriss. Pentagon to Mandate Vaccinations for All Servicemembers by Sept. 15, President Biden to halt travel to and from United States for Brazil, Ireland, UK and Europe, FAA says youll be fined $35,000 and sent to JAIL if you are unruly on a flight due to riots, World Health Organization Confirms China Refusing Entry to Epidemiologists, exclusive video obtained by Your Content set to debut Oct. 23. You were made for something else. Ronnie blocked Shannan from Facebook. Hate to say it but Shanann emasculated him verbally a lot. 2 counts I had a fantastic relationship with my mother-in-law. Shanann herself fed CeCe Thrive bars with nuts in them, but it was coconut which isnt considered a true tree nut. I just want him to fight. But yes, Kathleen told Kay and everyone listening that CW has told them what he did MANY times. I believe that is where he got the idea of blaming Shannan. I think that Chris wanted to save face. So, Shannans reaction was on point. Do your research. Where the hell is she in all this? ago. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. Cindy Watts did not put nuts in CeCes icecream. He killed 2 children and one unborn, what more do we need to know why? I think over time with the unsettling dynamics in the house, Chris immediate family, her family, Chris parent, sister, all full of animosity towards each other, bothered Chris. Ironic it wasnt shanann who destroyed her son, this mistress is more involved than she tried to say, it was more her that helped destroy Chriss life, she didnt do it but telling him immediately to pawn her rings? But couple all those angry feelings and then having to pay attention to 2 toddlers and work a taxing job, have a wife who is not really a good match for you who wants to separate you from your familyif he wasnt the type for this kind of lifestyle I could see how that would drive someone crazy. She works with patients in home care. o His mother worked as a secretary and notary for a used car dealership. Do I think Shanann was a saint? In 2019, Watts told author Cherlyn Cadle, who penned her explosive book Letters from Christopher, If I had not met Nikki, I would never have killed my family., The Colorado native allegedly tried to cause Shanann to miscarry their son Nico, giving her the powerful painkiller Oxycodone, after Nichol told Watts she wanted to give him his first son.. No damn way. What if his (unconscious) hatred and rage was really meant for his mother? It doesnt end here. They dont usually kill their spouse if they want to move on, nor do they normally kill a spouse they like. It wasnt about killing his inner child but resurrecting it. I dont care if this man is her son. I know she didn't attend the court sentencing etc. No, none of us are. Not sure what more she wanted in a daughter-in-law. Your comment fully reveals how humans can distort and exaggerate most of what they hear. Agreed. And they can record all they want. Both these families, had multiple discord amongst them all. Or if youre a woman, you have submitted that youre trash as a woman, from being subjected to those men who spend their time making youtube videos saying they dont want women, but instead of leaving women alone, they spend their time trying to make women feel bad, The WATTS family that were inlaws to Shanann, all THREE of them, give all in laws a bad name. But notice that, in the wake of NutGate, Chris commented to ShanAnn that she had put a dagger between him and his *father*. and our [UPDATED] | True Crime Rocket Science / #tcrs, Yes, there is a way to test whether bodies could be placed through the Thief Hatch with [or possibly without] breaking bones but youre not going to like it. Scan this QR code to download the app now, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-chp2Xo5Xo. The prison exclusive also showcases Watts' sister, Jamie Lyn Williams, who managed to remain the most secretive and silent figure in the saga. Estranged from the family? The families involved have interesting, if not dysfunctional, dynamics going on. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. Do you remember Neil Entwistle who tried to say his wife killed their child before herself? Cindy and Jamie teamed up to place nuts on the table. Hes going to die in prison. Does anyone know how the video* of the conversation between Chris Watts and his sister, Jamie Lyn Williams, was leaked to the internet? Shannan was a threat to the Narc Family. Let me end with saying that I dont know what happened that night, but I think that its a tragedy we can all expect to learn from. 2022 Circle of Friends Donors . During the lengthy sit-down, distraught mother Cindy pleaded to know more about what transpired during the grizzly triple murder but was quickly shot down by Watts. Everyone closely connected to this dreadful situation seem v strange, So not so sure about your Rzucek normal family scenario. You usually tell that person and give them the option of asking someone else. My thoughts are just that its a pretty big deal not to go to a wedding so it would be interesting to get all the facts. You can have a nut true allergy to only one tree nut. Chris may have felt caught in the middle and reacted by withdrawing from the field of battle, went mute, then AWOL, then the dark side. i believe it was 100% premeditated by the family to give shannan the pills. His mother made him a monster. Another added, I wish the sister would talk, maybe she can give some insight as to why her brother is a lunatic and as to why he wouldnt just divorce her, screw his tramp on the side and move on., Watts and his then-coworker, Nichol Kessinger, began having an affair in June 2018, two months before the slayings. After after she is brutally murdered along with her children, her husbands family is waging a smear campaign against her and trying to salvage their own public image. Chris had CeeCee on his shoulders and Shanaan was walking next to them. Their behavior spoke volumes. God bless those poor victims. Maybe for peace . Secondly, my impression while researching the Scott Peterson case was that the Petersons didnt think that much of Laci, or Lacis family. This suggests Mothers Day and Fathers Day in 2018, in the Watts home, were hugely significant milestones, particularly with a third baby on the way. Your email address will not be published. Thank you for putting my thoughts into words (so eloquently). She works with patients in home care. Shanann was trying so damn hard to film a happy family moment, even calling out Poppa or Grandpa. Chris parents never looked back at her, waved or said one word. Now we know why. If only his wife had a clue he was this dangerous, she could have had a fighting chance to get away from him. Privacy Policy. #chriswatts, A post shared by Nick van der Leek (@nickvdleek) on Oct 30, 2018 at 12:28am PDT. Why not believe the physician that prescribed the epi pen? Im not attempting to conflate the two choices, just the fact of the toll it took on them. I think Cindy probably encouraged Jaime to not send them or even throw them away. As we now know, it took the Watts parents all of two seconds to give Chris a pass for killing Shannan. The nut incident. Its practically unheard of unless family is estranged and in this case I dont think any of them were. My opinion of the Watts family is that they are some of the scummiest people in the world. Shannan was at the height of wedding planning which is the most stressful time, and she probably decided she couldnt deal with Jamies lack of involvement. All Rights Reserved. Border agent dies and two others are gravely injured following a shootout in major drug smuggling corridor off the coast of Puerto Rico: Suspected Mystery surrounds Chinese jet crash a month after all 132 people were killed as report reveals NO faults in the plane, NO suspicions about Delco court covers for Judge Whelan in criminal case: His testimony raises a question, Prosecutor: Delco Judge Capuzzi locked public out of courtroom for fake news trial. Chris Watts with his Sister Wife, Children & Relationships Chris met Shanann Watts in 2010; she was an independent representative for a multilevel marketing company called 'Le-vel,' which is focused on selling the wellness product called 'Thrive.' I watched the doc on Netflix, and I think theres a lot going on that no one will ever know. Ashley's main point is that Chris Watts was a seething, passive-aggressive narcissist. Shanann just exaggerated the shit out of it, like all their health issuesherself included. I feel so sad for her family, they dont deserve this, Shanann was NOTHING like his mother. They have no history with law enforcement,domestic violence or mental problems. I think he hated Shanann at the moment he killed her. Charged with misdemeanor child abuse. Im familiar with Chris parental dynamic, where the father is the pussy, enabling his wifes narcissism. *https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-chp2Xo5Xo. I heard the same theory on Websleuths that Chris Watts was actually murdering his mother. What memories [and resentments] might this have triggered in Chris Watts two months before the murders? Its probable that she really did not want to be part of the wedding party to begin with (under constant pressure from Cindy). Chris Watts on his wedding is his true self: a pudgy, pussy-whipped basic white male. A mother not attending her sons wedding is HUGE. Archived post. They still should have been the bigger people and just attended the wedding and put up & shut up. Cindy KNEW about the nut allergy, but did not believe it was serious, so she left chocolate out for the 3-year-old to get into and fed her peanut ice cream. Its still not unlike other families and interpersonal relationships between MILs and DILs in so many marriages. She had many faults within herself. The grew up in a low class family. Jamie Lyn Williams, the sister of Colorado killer Chris Watts appears in an exclusive prison sit-down with her brother. WATTS [Licks lips]: Im so happy that theyre here. So an attack of Shanann [any attack] feels like an attack of who they are, and their belief systems. I couldnt be on his or his familys side. She went to North Carolina for six weeks at the very end of June. What pictures did you use for the service? Watts asked his mother during the explosive one-on-one two-hour special. Everyone would be so sad for him that his family were gone and so pleased that he went on to find a new woman (Vomit). While Chris parents have been vocal about their son, his sister, Jamie Lyn Williams, remains silent. Nonetheless why risk it? The conversation spiraled out of control when Cindy claimed 3-year-old Celeste was a spitting image of her father, who brutally murdered her. They were heavy drinkers. We just love you. With your comment where you know . How could she be so without human empathy that Chris Wattss mother says its okay if he killed Shannan? Granted, she didnt have to plaster it on Facebook, but thats what people do nowadays. I bet so was Chris mom. I agree. Shanann got the wrath that was really meant for Mom-Watts. I also dont think she would have said she would tell about his affairs. So this is way more than some Freudian spiel to overcome a supposedly dominant mother. I think that Shannan tried to make things work while Cindy spent her time trying to show Chris that Shannan wasnt good enough. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); Your email address will not be published. No, you dont get that she had a problem. I dont think a trial is the only way of getting to those skeletons, though. irrational buy-in to such an inevitable financial disaster. o JAMIE is seven (7) years older than him. When I see Chris pictures from when he was younger, I see dead eyes. She suffered enough. She doesnt show up for critical, life-altering-for-immediate-family court dates either, does she? Didnt attend what? Chris Watts' Parents He has a sister named Jamie Lynn Williams. We have a great relationship because of that. The wedding invitations the sister was in charge of but delibertely didnt mail out. That has got to hurt, though, if Chris Watts and Shananns big day was all about Shanann, and Chris family werent even there. Unless you have ever been victimized by a narcissistic toxic family, you really have no understanding of the level of dysfunction happening to the targeted victim. At the very least, he may have felt theyd be inclined to forgive him given their own difficulties with Shanann, and certainly, Ronnie Watts has already told the media, If hes guilty, I can live with that.. They lived in different States and only had to put up with each other for a little while. I cant imagine how shanann is the one being attacked but not his mother, sister, or mistress. Not sure the outcome. Cindy Watts probably pressured her not to partake. Play it back and the reporter has just mentioned the couple married in 2012. Does the "we" refer to Ronnie and Jamie Williams [Chris Watts' sister] as well? Yet another Watts fan club rumor. This nightmare has to be over for everybody.. Im sure there are many more Secrets on the Rzucek family.. .. side She was far to good for them. The incident at Cindis house where she exposed CeCe To nuts happened in July not on June 9th. CW looks miserable on his wedding day whilst she looks elated she has her whole family there after all. A similar dynamic seems to have played out in the Watts family, minus the privileged status. Okay? CW parents were considered safe and good enough to babysit for up to a fortnight while Cw and Shanann were staying at places like Punta Cana. There are two camps: pro-innocent-victims and pro-murderer. The books provide a much deeper and more thorough analysis. But to restrict somebody and cut them off of their family is wrong. Her reaction I think was justified in that her daughter could have died, but then she told Chris that he wasnt ALLOWED to talk to his family. By boycotting the wedding, CWs family not only rejected ShanAnn herself, but they rejected her entire family as well. We also know on June 9th, Shanann had a massive meltdown at Cindy Watts home, an event that occurred plumb in the middle between Mothers Day and Fathers Day. Too bad it took 4 lives, 4 innocent lives to find out what a monster he was. Or read etc. Any cookies that may not be particularly necessary for the website to function and is used specifically to collect user personal data via analytics, ads, other embedded contents are termed as non-necessary cookies. I have two sons and there is nothing or anyone who could keep me from attending his wedding. Thank you! Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. Shanann should have wiped this woman from her life, says a lot about her character that she still had a single thing to do with this woman. Although she deleted her account shortly after posting these comments, I do believe this was likely Jaime Williams attempting to defend her brothers character and reputation. the person who gave him the oxy had to be in his family since he said hed take whoever it was to the grave. Does anyone know if she's ever made any kind of public statement or opinion? Cookie Notice [She looked so] serious. Border agent dies and two others are 'gravely' injured following a shootout in major drug smuggling corridor off the coast of Puerto Rico: Suspected smuggler also dead after two Americans arrested.
