However, Krieg's poor performance in the playoffs on the road contributed to the wild-card Chiefs' swift elimination by the San Diego Chargers.[25]. Completed only 1 of 12 passes The Seahawks selected Penn State running back Curt Warner with the third overall pick in the quarterback-laden 1983 draft, so it wasn't hard to guess what Knox was planning. he joked to Beckys-Place.com, a Seahawks fan site, in 2005. WebDave Krieg is near the bottom; I consider him to be the poster child for small-handed quarterbacks. 6) The Seahawks' five game winning streak at the end of the 1986 season impressed everyone at the time. Have for years merged Dave Krieg and Steve DeBerg together into fusion of the ultimate 80s journeyman QB, Stave KrieBerg. But the tales of that rifle arm and tight spirals into the wind we read in the last section didn't survive into the era of MTV and personal computers. The Arizona Cardinals rewarded Krieg for his 1994 performance by signing him to be their starting quarterback in 1995. I was about to jump in to defend Dave Krieg, and say, "You're not giving him enough credit! (The two papers merged after the 1992 Pittsburgh newspaper strike.) Krieg placed third overall, behind Willie Gault and Herschel Walker. He also had 417 rushing attempts for 1,261 yards and 13 touchdowns and 3 pass receptions for 10 yards. Curt Warner purchased an auto dealership in Vancouver. His regular season career winloss record is 98-77. "[39], For many years Krieg held the NFL record for most career fumbles, a result of both a lengthy career at quarterback and unusually small hands for the position. Dave Krieg went to Milton College in Wisconsin. And if he's down, he bounces right back. He saw the field only once, taking a few snaps with two incompletions in the final game in 1980,[6] the Seahawks' ninth straight loss in a disappointing 412 season in which they lost all eight home games. SackSEER 2023: Is Tyree Wilson Overrated? And instead, theres supposed to be a lot of weight placed on whether they can comfortably palm a football with one hand. 1 quarterback," Knox insisted in early September, adding that "Zorn has a better grasp of what we're trying to do offensively.". He's way better than DeBerg!" Dave Krieg held the NFL record for most career fumbles, a result of both a lengthy career at quarterback and unusually small hands for the position. or. If you or someone you know has a gambling problem, help is available. Steve DeBerg, a career journeyman mentor who arrived in Kansas City at age 33, had been the Chiefs starter for four seasons, leading the team to the playoffs twice. Stroud, Mike Tanier's Final Three-Round Mock Draft, Things to Do While Waiting for Aaron Rodgers. Thanks for pointing that out. [11] Zorn reclaimed his former role, but played inconsistently. Sign Up. -Kelly Stouffer is one of the greatest draft mysteries to me ever. He suffered a hand injury in Week 10 against the Packers, and Krieg led a rally from a 24-0 deficit. Nicknamed "Mudbone" by his Seattle teammates,[17] Krieg led the Seahawks on five-game winning streak to finish the season, during which his passer rating exceeded 126. In reply to Lol. ), 2) There's a very thin difference in time between sports fans who remember Jack Patera, Seahawks head coach better (and think of Ken as Jack's brother)or remember Ken Patera, Olympic and (and more notably) pro wrestler better (and think of Jack as Ken's brother). Yeah, it doesnt look any better in writing. Krieg was not in training camp that season, but intended on playing a 20th NFL season. Join us for a final installment of the Legends of DVOA which spans nearly a generation and features labor strikes, cantankerous coaches, and over a decade's worth of quarterback controversies. The first is that his name really is He was the hottest thing on the planet in October of 93 as many believed Miami couldnt win a game without Marino. Log In. The absence of Warner, who tore an ACL in the 1984 season opener, had a lot to do with the change. Then he had a choppy first half of '95, and fans were calling for him to be benched for Don Majkowski (seriously), who did play well in one start filling in for an injured Mitchell. Hmm, it doesnt appear his hand size matters! 22 Nov 2022 22:39:58 "Dave has a lot of vision on the field," Largent said in a Miami Herald feature during the 1983 playoffs. Gaddini sent the Seahawks "a couple of canisters of film," in Krieg's words, and Krieg boarded an airplane for the first time in his life to travel to Seattle for a tryout. Krieg bounced back a bit in 1986, and the Seahawks started the season 5-2. In the regular season finale, Krieg dissected the Raiders' secondary, throwing for 410 yards and four touchdowns, thereby securing the division title at 97 and relegating the Raiders to a wild card berth. [13], Returning to the bench at the outset of the 1983 campaign, Krieg remained there until Zorn's performance faltered in midseason. The Packers narrowly held off the Lions for a 38-30 win. Somehow, Knox resisted the urge to insert the towel boy at quarterback, and the Seahawks pulled out of a team-wide meltdown to win five straight games and nearly reach the playoffs. Stouffer replaced Krieg after a three-interception meltdown, just as the Seahawks were about to face the Bill Parcells-Bill Belichick-Lawrence Taylor Giants. WebSEATTLE . There are plenty of starting quarterback examples, who also had small hand measurements at the Combine, that we can point to and say this wont matter in determining his future. Head coach Mike Holmgren said of Krieg, "I always wanted him to play for me, but he was way too expensive every year. "[Krieg] got 21 points on the board for us," he said. Krieg proceeded to lead the Seahawks to another playoff appearance, but Krieg's performance failed to prevent a narrow loss on the road in the first round against the Houston Oilers. Krieg threw 32 touchdown passes, earned a Pro Bowl berth behind Marino, and finished seventh in DVOA and eighth in DYAR despite a league-high 24 interceptions. Romo, on the other hand, was flashier and more gifted than Krieg. I'm guessing White probably wins the starting job anyway, but it isn't inconceivable Zorn orDeBerg manages to grab the starting position instead of White (who it should be noted was a very, very good NFL quarterback for about five seasons). He was impressing coaches and teammates with his ability to fire tight spirals into the wind. Neither Krieg nor the Chiefs must have noticed that anything much had changed. I remember Mirer having a not-terrible rookie year. Rising to the occasion, Krieg threw for 3,671 yards and 32 touchdowns, leading his team to a 12-4 record and another wild card playoff appearance. Zorn's playing career fizzled out soon after Krieg took his job. Like Steve Young, his powers increased after escaping the Hugh Culverhouse Bucs, much like Superman getting away from Krypton's red dwarf star. Ryan Fitzpatrick with Buffalo in2011 kind of fits that mold, but Ryan Fitzpatrick has his own unique layers to his story. But then I looked up Steve DeBerg's stats, and it turns out his Kansas City years were pretty damn good: 3 straight top-10 passing DVOA finishes for a perennial playoff contender. He attended Milton College and made the Seattle Seahawks as an undrafted free agent. For some combination of reasons, Krieg won the starting job from Zorn to start the 1982 season and endured 14 sacks in a pair of losses, breaking his thumb in the second game. However, he faltered in midseason, so Coach Knox benched him in favor of Gale Gilbert. I think if you hang around here enough you'll see there's plenty of us who remember Neil Graff, Bill Munson and the lefty from Cal Poly-Pomona. Ranch in Flint Hills of Kansas, formerly NW Montan. If you did a book of things like these from throughout the NFL's history (the hall of semi-interesting / semi-forgotten), I would absolutely buy it. They were merely average for someone of his 6-foot-5 stature. In 19 seasons, Krieg played in 213 games, completed 58.5 percent of his passes (3,105 of 5,311) for 38,147 passing yards, 261 touchdowns, 199 interceptions and an 81.5 rating. "We went out for pre-game warm-ups and I didn't know if it would be Sam Adkins or myself. JavaScript is disabled. David Michael Krieg (born October 20, 1958) is a former American football quarterback in the National Football League. Of the top 5 on the chart (the guys who It was our first year of season tickets. WebHad some really good moments with Krieg.But he gets my vote for the All time NFL Quarterbacks with the most Balls slipped out of his hands( i swear he must have some Garrett Gilbert, Gale's son, made an emergency start for the Cowboys last year. [32], Dave Krieg finished his career with the Tennessee Oilers, backing up the seldom-injured Steve McNair in 1997 and 1998. WebMaybe Dave Krieg with the small hand thing. "We don't want him looking over his shoulder to see if every time he makes a mistake we're warming up Dave Krieg," Knox said. In reply to I liked DeBerg, he had by Noahrk. We're talking about this in-house. Dave was lots of fun (along with some gnashing of teeth). Then Mitchell finished the year on fire, and everyone was like, "Hey, maybe this will work after all!". Krieg He was benched after throwing four interceptions against the Chiefs the following week; rookie backup Gale Gilbert came on and threw a fifth. In Week 16, Krieg was benched and Stouffer got his first start of that season. I moved to the Seattle area in 1983-84 and vividly remember the Zorn vs. Krieg debates. Krieg signed with the Chiefs in March of 1992. Someone even wrote a book about it that was the partial basis for an ESPN 30 for 30 of the same name. Krieg also played well in Miami the following week, but the Dolphins defeated the Seahawks and went on to lose Super Bowl XIX. "I said earlier in the week that we don't want to get this guy into the game and let him get into a rhythm," Jones said. His average-sized hands never betrayed him. Web@andeparks I was there too! In the last two years where the 49ers qualified for the postseason (2019 and 2021), they won four playoff games with Garoppolo as their starter. -The Seahawks actually beat an Elway-less Broncos in the 1983 playoffs. Krieg has Really liked him a lot except for those small hands. Thanks for the links! Jets link has been fixed. Krieg threw for 264 yards and two touchdowns, including a 57-yard game-winner to Largent, in a win over a strong Jets team. In the offseason, the Chiefs signed Joe Montana and made him their starting quarterback. However, even Krieg's good games rarely resulted in Cardinals victories. I may do it next offseason! He also died in 2018. Scott Mitchell was the poster boy for falling in love with small sample sizes. Stouffer, as mentioned, was terrible. I never saw any of Krieg's good Seahawks seasons, and I never really saw Curt Warner or Steve Largent play, but I knew who they were because they were a pretty awesome trio in the original Techmo Bowl. Keenum, on the other hand, has a grand total ofoneseason (2017) where his passing DVOA wasn't below average or worse. The Chiefs signed Joe Montana to really feed their habit in 1993. Warner's backups were burly all-purpose backs Dan Doornink and David Hughes, plus kick returner Eric Lane and, incongruously, a well-beyond-the-hill Franco Harris. By the end of his first full season as a starter, Krieg's story was already becoming a trope. Krieg would suffer a shoulder injury late in what became an up-and-down season, and the Seahawks finished 8-8. ), is beyond me. I think the description of Kreig being part Romo and part Fitzpatrick is pretty good. Krieg would feel his absence, throwing more interceptions (20) than touchdowns (15) in 1990. Hand size (Length/Span): 9.5/10 Height: 61 Percent longer than the And he wasn't a 26-year-old with a big contract. Krieg would have disappeared if Gaddini didn't have a connection in the Seahawks personnel department. The Seahawks went 12-4 and avenged themselves against the Raiders in the playoffs but got hammered by Marino's Dolphins in the divisional round. WebDavid Michael Krieg is a former American football quarterback in the National Football League. "Dave Krieg is making a big move at Jim Zorn. Please keep me in your thoughts. WebThe idea is that small hands mean youre more likely to fumble when hit or lose your grip on the ball when passing in bad weather. Krieg led a 90-yard touchdown drive to bring the Chiefs within 7 points, but the Buffalo Bills scored 10 unanswered points in the fourth quarter to qualify for their fourth straight Super Bowl appearance. Then a strike erased two months. For a guy with a Super Bowl MVP, an MVP, and 151 touchdown passes to his name, Mahomes, believe it or not, has some of the NFLs smallest hands. I remember reading his columns when I was an undergraduate college student in central Pennsylvania in the early-to-mid 1990s and especially as a graduate student in western Pennsylvania in the late 1990s. Went to the now-defunct Milton College. In light of that, as well as everything else, we made the change.". Krieg's leadership helped the Seahawks compile a respectable 97 record in 1990, but they again missed the playoffs. Knox had led the Rams and Bills to the playoffs in his last two stops. In his 19-year NFL career, Krieg played for the Seahawks (19801991), Kansas City Chiefs (19921993), Detroit Lions (1994), Arizona Cardinals (1995), Chicago Bears (1996), and Tennessee Oilers (19971998). Things weren't going well. You dont say! When I was a kid a I thought he was a damn wizard. Then he melted down in the Wildcard Game, leading to one of the all-time playoff beat-downs, and subsequently went back to being the Scott Mitchell we all know and love today. WebHes not a face of the NFL by any means, but almost 200 touchdown passes and three Pro Bowls at age 30 is nothing to sneeze at. "He's a streak passer, and when he's on a hot streak, it's hard to get him out of that rhythm.". Smizik was often curmudgeonly in his writing. Makes sense that it's hard to play QB when you can't throw to one side of the field. Krieg has now been [26] Two weeks later, at the AFC Championship Game in Buffalo, Montana sustained a concussion and left the game in the third quarter. Knox added that Gilbert would remain the starter for the rest of the season. Considering retirement after I was informed the football will be slipping out of my tiny hands. "I'm left struggling with the question of just how good Krieg really was". "How bad can it get if there are only 50 guys on the team and you're the seventh-best quarterback?" NFL's management counsel consulted with the National Labor Relations Board and ordered the fines rescinded. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Krieg's Bears success earned him a two-year stint behind Steve McNair for Jeff Fisher's Oilers/Titans. 907830E5-9AEB-4FD2-9C5E-5AFCA574DF26.jpeg. Dave Krieg. Of course his performance in December was the real Mitchell, but that didnt stop the Lions. Great stuff. "We just decided to make a change to hopefully get some spark in there and be able to make some plays we haven't been making," Knox said. In January 2017, Krieg raised the 12 Flag atop the Space Needle a few days before the Seahawks defeated the Detroit Lions, 26-6, in an NFL Wild Card playoff game.[44]. However, Krieg still saw substantial action in 1993, relieving Montana in six games, and starting five games for the oft-injured Hall of Famer. FactSnippet No. Even when the young starter played poorly,[33] coach Jeff Fisher declined to insert Krieg. [37][38], Krieg was released by the rechristened Tennessee Titans in July 1999 after the team signed Neil O'Donnell to backup McNair. "People talk about the arm strength of quarterbacks," said Seahawks quarterback coach Ken Meyer in a Krieg profile during the 1984 playoffs. I really enjoyed this series about good but forgotten players that should be remembered. Yes, that one season was pretty extraordinary, but he's going to have to wait for Mike to write a series of "One Hit Wonders" articles. Please check your email for a confirmation. I was dragged in to help out a friend in one of the very firstFantasy Football leagueshe couldn't decide on a QBI said 'no matter what the situation, Dave Krieg always finds a way to shine through' He DID win the Fantasy Champ. Knox replaced Krieg with Jim Zorn to finish out the game as the visiting Seahawks lost to the Raiders, who went on to win Super Bowl XVIII. "There isn't anything particularly outstanding I can tell you about Kelly Stouffer other than he has a good arm, he's tall, and he can move around pretty good," Knox said of the quarterback his team traded a first-round pick for. Then Krieg got benched in favor of Gilbert in the fourth quarter of the same game. Kried to Largent was a thing for several years. It actually made some sense why Reeves turned to DeBerg when things were tough in 1998, even though DeBerg was only slightly younger than Bob Hope at the time. Mitchell was terrible, completing just 48.4% of his passes. He finished the season fourth in DVOA (behind Tommy Kramer, Marino, and Boomer Esiason) and eighth in DYAR. That decision helped doom the Seahawks to several seasons of misery and mediocrity under a succession of uninspired quarterbacks. [35] Although McNair recovered from his injury and could have re-entered the game, the team let Krieg finish. In reply to I remember Mirer having a by Joey-Harringto. On the other hand, ultra-conservative coaches love gutsy field general-types like Krieg. I remember feeling like the Seahawks had finally fixed their QB problems but that didn't happen. [7], By the middle of the 1981 season, Krieg overtook Sam Adkins on the depth chart to become the Seahawks' second-string quarterback. Maybe! Some of our best years, pre-Holmgren. Seattle Mariners @ Oakland Athletics May 2-4. Dave Krieg. He went 1-of-3 for 10 yards while being sacked twice. Krieg signed with the Lions in April of 1994. DeBerg moved on, and Krieg found himself handing off to Christian Okoye and Barry Word in a conservative offense for a team run by an old-school head coach that got hammered in the first round of the playoffs. The Chiefs of that era were coached by the great Marty Schottenheimer, managed by the great Carl Petersen, and addicted to creaky quarterbacks. I have no idea what force convinced me to type Ripon not Milton, but MILTONis CORRECT! If I'm not mistaken, he was the QB in the Leon Lett snow-fumble between Miami and Dallas. His college teams had a 14-30 record in games he started (not exactly in a power conference either), and he was brutal his senior year, completing fewer than 55% of his passes with twice as many INTs as TDs (7-14). That's not the sort of thing a team does when it is completely satisfied with its starting quarterback. My favorite memory was when CBS named him as the player of the game but spelled his name wrong on the graphic. Krieg made a handful of spot starts, then was forced into the lineup when Montana was injured against the Bills in the AFC Championship Game. I looked it up, in 1993 after 7-2 Miami lost Marino for the season and Scott Mitchell went down, they signed DeBerg, then 39, off-the-street and put him as their starter. Well find a hand-size correlation soon. 1,579,967: 29. 3) The Seahawks had the Jets' number in their early expansion years, winning their first 7 games against New York and not losing to the Jets from their founding in 1976 until the 1985 season. and the Quarterback who didn't know how to adjust his chin strap properly it always ended up under his nose. He placed first in the basketball and rowing events, beating athletes including Gault, Walker, Randall Cunningham, Evander Holyfield, and Carl Lewis. WebThe official source for NFL news, video highlights, fantasy football, game-day coverage, schedules, stats, scores and more. In reply to How dare you besmirch the by Ambientdonkey. I felt really old when I had to explain to a younger fan who I was getting my picture with though. Coming from a small college, I didn't feel like I had any resources to fall back to for help outside of football. See Photos. That makes a difference," said Meyer, who had suggested years earlier that a big-league arm doesn't make much difference. He was slated to back up Scott Mitchell, the lefty who signed a three-year, $11.1-million contract (that figure's supposed to sound huge, folks) after looking great in relief of Marino for the Dolphins in 1993. It closed in 1982. When Zorn continued to struggle in the final game of the season,[12] Coach Mike McCormack inserted Krieg, who rallied Seattle to a victory over the Denver Broncos. "He had some big plays and rallied us. "Ground Chuck" took flight under Dave Krieg. Moreover, his steady play helped the Seahawks eliminate the reigning Super Bowl champion Raiders in a wild card showdown in the Kingdome. Had some really good moments with Krieg.But he gets my vote for the All time NFL Quarterbacks with the most Balls slipped out of his hands( i swear he must have some small hands?) At that point, head coach Chuck Knox named Krieg the Seahawks' new starting quarterback. Parts of his story"seventh-string" quarterbacks, canisters of film, Plan B free agency, general managers stepping in as coaches, quarterback controversies that last multiple seasons and don't end with epic tradesbarely make sense anymore. Kelly Stouffer is a college football television analyst. It was a callback to when Krieg replaced Zorn against the Steelers a decade earlier. More posts you may like. Krieg produced his copyrighted late-season hot streak on cue: a 4-2 record down the stretch to get the Seahawks into the playoffs, with five-touchdown and four-touchdown games. Damn. He was quite possibly the greatest "trick-or-treat" QB in NFL history. I was in the Army in Germany during the late 80's - early 90s seasons. I think DeBerg, who had been an assistant coach with the Giants for a couple years between 1994 and 1997, was signed by the Falcons because their top two quarterbacks went down and he had a long-time relationship with Falcons head coach Dan Reeves: *DeBerg drafted by the Cowboys in the 10th round in 1977 though cut before the season; Reeves was a Cowboys assistant coach at the time under Tom Landry. Broadcasters and columnists alike loved to tell the story of the seventh-stringer from tiny Milton College. The running game sputtered as injuries slowed Curt Warner, and the aging offensive line struggled to open holes for him. They alternated pairs of wins and then losses the entire season (2-0, 2-2, 4-2, 4-4, etc. Yet hes an elite quarterback anyway? Reply . Perhaps due to this increased competition, Krieg's consistency increased further in 1988. Krieg's burden grew heavier in 1990, with the retirement of Largent and the continued decline of the offensive line and the running game. In relief, Krieg threw just one pass, a 23-yard touchdown. And as is the norm with all the draft pundits and analysts and supposed professional scouts, this is somehow a significant point of contention when projecting Picketts career. WebDavid Michael Krieg (/kre/ KRAYG; born October 20, 1958) is a former American football quarterback in the National Football League (NFL). pic.twitter.com/wmVSmWf5oO Krieg took a seven-step drop on the very first play from scrimmage and launched a bomb to rookie receiver Daryl "Deep Heat" Turner for an 80-yard touchdown. "Stouffer has been impressive, very impressive," Knox said, even though Stouffer completed just 20 total passes and threw zero touchdowns in his two starts. That game against the Chiefs in KC where he was sacked 8 or 9 times but got the game winning TD pass to Skansi. Though I remember both, I was born slightly after the cutoff so I remember Ken Patera better. He threw three touchdowns, two of them to Largent, in a blowout victory over the Browns in the season finale. In reply to I remember when 44 year old by vrao81. But this was long before the era when NFL scouts effectively beat the deep bushes, or when film of NAIA quarterbacks was readily available on YouTube or Hudl for any deep-diving draftnik.
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